Meeting Agendas & Minutes

Forestry 03/08/2010

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Sawyer County Forestry Committee

March 8, 2010


Committee Members Present:                 Jim Bassett                   Shirley Riedmann           Doug Mrotek

                                                            Dean Pearson                Hal Helwig (for Dale Thompson)


County Personnel Present:                     Greg Peterson               Kris Mayberry   


DNR Personnel Present:             Nick Koltz                     Pete Wisdom                Dave Kafura

                                                            Sue Miller                                 


Others Present:                                     Terrell Boettcher            Jan Holmes                   Don Mrotek

                                                            Mike Outcalt                  Bill Noonan                    Ned Zuelsdorff

                                                            Ken Johnson                 John Saunders               Butch Meyer

                                                            Ken Maki                      Peter Sievert                  Kathy McCoy

                                                            Linda Zillmer                  Arlene Mizerka              Lionel Johnson

                                                            Jim Toftness                  Warren Johnson David Radlinger

                                                            Dan Dums


The meeting was called to order at 9:35 a.m. by Chair Bassett.  Motion by Bassett, second by Riedmann to approve the agenda.  Motion carried.


Motion by Riedmann, second by Bassett to approve the minutes of the February 8, 2010 meeting.  Motion carried.


Audience Recognition

David Radlinger, logging contractor with Sawyer County asked to present information regarding timber sale.  First, he stated that it was very inconsiderate that Bassett had not informed him that he was not placed on the agenda for today's meeting even though he had called him a number of times.  Radlinger stated that on his Lost Lake timber sale, the Forest Administrator had told him that the 7 acres of timber not cut was inaccessible, then at the end of February he was told to cut it.  Forest Administrator stated that he never told Radlinger that the wood was inaccessible.  Radlinger called Forest Administrator a liar.  The Forest Administrator stated that he had green marked about 20 trees on the property line to settle a possible dispute with the adjacent landowner regarding the access road and dozer work on property line. 


Radlinger stated that he had cut timber for over 30 years and follows all BMP's and contract language.  He stated that there were BMP issues regarding running water in swamp.  Radlinger asked how he could access remaining stand.  Peterson stated that he could get access either on blue line or on high ground through private property.  Riedmann questioned who administered sale and Peterson stated that Peter Sievert, Assistant Forest Administrator, was the administrator for this sale.


Sievert stated that, in his opinion, he had the same BMP concerns as Radlinger including cutting timber within 100 feet of water.   Sievert spoke with Frank Pratt, DNR Fisheries Specialist, regarding navigable waterway, running water, other BMP violations, cutting timber within 50 feet of water, etc.  He received a letter back from Pratt, stating that in his opinion, he recommended that the timber not be cut.


Koltz stated that he had talked to Pratt when timber sale was set up (he and David Todus set up sale) and there were no issues with the sale and it is not a trout stream.  Riedmann stated that the contract, as set up, should be cut since the Forest Administrator, Liaison Forester and Forestry Supervisor has signed off on it.


Radlinger stated that there was no way he could finish cutting this sale until the ground is frozen and the contract is up for renewal May 1st.  An automatic one year renewal, with no increase in stumpage, will be issued as per normal contractual     terms.


McCoy stated that the issue with green marking trees to be cut should be part of the contract.  The Forest Administrator stated that the trees were green marked to leave and the contractor could use his discretion as to whether or not to cut them.  Sievert asked why trees were green marked in the first place (answered in paragraph 1).  Sievert had contacted the County Corporation Counsel and stated that Counsel said it was OK to use right-of-way, and that landowner had bulldozed road on county property and Sievert had made the decision to put the road in where located.




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Mizerka questioned where the contractor had been stonewalled.  Maki stated that the renewal of the contract should be with no increase in stumpage rate (informed that was normal).  Dums stated that if there is a difference in BMP adherence, whether there are other areas of concern that need to be addressed.


Koltz stated that Pratt, in his opinion, had recommendations for the sale.  The state and county follow BMP's.


Event Dates

None requested. 


Language change for 2010 recreational camp renewal form

Copy of suggested changes were sent out with agenda.  Motion by Riedmann, second by Bassett to approve language change.  Motion carried.


Town of Lenroot request to expand gravel pit on Seeley Firelane - crush gravel with no stumpage fee for gravel used on roads within County Forest

Peterson - Town of Lenroot requested to re-open pit on Seeley Firelane and expand it to more than an acre.  A conditional use and non-metallic mining permit (with reclamation plan) will be required.  Dan Dums, Chairman, Town of Lenroot stated that approximately 10,000 yards of gravel will be crushed and used on town roads on county forest property.  Motion by Mrotek, second by Riedmann that request be approved with no stumpage fee.  Motion carried.


Approve resolution authorizing participation to apply for grant funds

Peterson stated that this resolution is needed so that recreational trail grants may be applied for.  Motion by Riedmann, second by Bassett to send to County Board with recommendation for approval.  Motion carried.


Process for establishing group to review Access Plan and trail requests

Discussion was held regarding this would be an Ad Hoc Committee or not.  Helwig stated that the scope of the group needs to be formulated.  Bassett suggested that Peterson make up a list of requests and put in committee member boxes before next meeting.


2010-2011 ATV/Snowmobile grant projects approvals

Peterson:  1) NEW ATV TRAIL - Jolly Fisherman to Seeley Firelane - Trail 8:  3.6 miles; approximate cost is $84,000 contingent upon receiving grant funding; needs approval of County Board.  Motion by Riedmann, second by Bassett to recommend approval of new trail and move forward with grant application.  Motion carried.  2) Trail 31 - entire trail to be on county forest land - ATV REHAB.  Approximate cost if $129,000 and would link together with other rehab projects.  3) Trail 77 - Rock Lake Firelane to Camp Smith Lake rehab - 2.5 miles - ATV REHAB.  Approximate cost $60,000.  4) Trail 25 - Town of Draper, south of Hwy 70 to Flambeau River State Forest trails - SNOWMOBILE REHAB.  Trail may be moved to existing forest road on property owned by Heartwood Forestland that purchased forest property south of County Forest.  Motion by Riedmann, second by Bassett to approve applications for three rehab projects.  Motion carried.


Dums suggested that consideration be given to taking trail off of town roads due to conflicts.  Riedmann stated that priorities need to be set.  Noonan stated that the Alliance has an application form that trail captains must fill out if they want any trail considered.


Out-of-county travel - WCFA meeting - March 24-26, 2010 - Wausau

Peterson stated that the spring meeting of WCFA is March 24-26 in Wausau.  He will be taking David Todus with him.  Motion by Riedmann, second by Mrotek to approve out-of-county travel.  Motion carried.


Sawyer County Forestry Report

Peterson:  1) sales are winding down; 2) road bans should be on soon; 3) timber sale information for May timber sale should be out around April 1st.











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DNR forestry report

Koltz:  He didn't have any report but stated that Dave Kafura and Sue Miller would like to speak.  Kafura:  Questioned whether the Sawyer County Forestry Department was getting service and turn around on general permits and technical assistance to he staff on wetland and waterway permitting options (Peterson stated that there is no problem with general permits for forestry). Peterson stated that there is frustration with stormwater permits for recreational trails.  Miller:  1) Discussed the wild stories going around regarding DNR law enforcement; 2) Roads being marked inappropriately as trails and routes.  Before roads are marked, a town ordinance needs to be in effect otherwise signs are taken down by law enforcement because of safety and liability issues; 3) The Stone Lake situation is very dangerous on Hwy 70.  In all cases, none of the Town Chairmen were aware of the inappropriate signage.


Monthly expense vouchers

Motion by Riedmann, second by Mrotek to approve the vouchers as presented.  Motion carried.


Other matters for discussion only

Monthly reports were passed out.


Bill Noonan - great year snowmobiling; safety trainings held; film crew was here (filmed about 40 hours) regarding snowmobiling, trails, events, etc. that will be shown on FOX or VERSA; after county board election, would like to make presentation to Forestry Committee so new members will be up-to-date.


Mike Outcalt - 6,000 to 7,000 people in town Saturday and Sunday both.


Bassett - reported that increase in trail coordination monies was approved - $5,000.


Don Mrotek - passed out papers showing grants and small non-grant projects.


Closed Session pursuant to Wis. Stats. 19.85(1)(c) for the purpose of employee performance evaluations.

Motion by Helwig, second by Bassett to convene in Closed Session at 10:42 AM.  Motion carried. [Minutes of closed sessions are kept in a confidential file in the County Clerk's office].


Motion by Bassett, second by Riedmann to return to open session.  Motion carried.




Motion by Bassett, second by Mrotek to adjourn.  Motion carried.  The meeting was adjourned at 11:45 A.M.


Delores Dobilas, Recorder